Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Originally Posted by ANTSMAN

isnt it far worse for someone to knowingly commit an offence,reporters/ratings or not, rather than a "possible" mistake on the shops part.....

The police release said possessing a firearm without a legal licence was a criminal offence and if successfully prosecuted could lead to three months in prison or a $1000 fine. The charge for "obtaining by deception" carried penalties up to seven years in prison, the police statement said.

So is the form not legit if it doesn't have a police stamp? How easy would it be for a dedicated individual to forge a stamp or at least smudge something to resemble a police stamp? It appears to me that they have impersonated a police officer to fill the form in. Is this not a serious crime in itself? The police need to throw the book at these morons. Their careers need to be over. Police need to show the country that they don't stand for this kind of fuckery.

Originally Posted by Beavis

So is the form not legit if it doesn't have a police stamp?

Like I said, the stamp in not required.

yeh it isnt the process itself thats at fault(other than the retarted ratings seeking reporters), what is at fault is someones inadherance to process. if they charge the gunshop, the other end should be similarly charged .

Originally Posted by ANTSMAN

yeh it isnt the process itself thats at fault(other than the retarted ratings seeking reporters), what is at fault is someones inadherance to process. if they charge the gunshop, the other end should be similarly charged .

Gun City have not broken the law, they're required to have the form filled out and sent to them completed, the form was sent to them completed and nothing shines out that it could be fake. No law broken on their end.

@ Stug - So if we can't rely on the fact that if it says it was signed by a police officer it was, then about half of the "legal transactions" in the country will break down - just about every system has an element of trust involved, this is no different from any other bit of paper where you have your "status" confirmed by a lawyer or JP or the like.

No real harm done at gun city's end (for once). But my statement stands - they impersonated a police officer. If I did that and got caught, I'd expect to end up in front of a judge.

Trade me asks for a fire arms licence number and its near on impossible to bid or even ask a question about a gun without having a valid licence number.
How do they do it but the gun shops don't or cant?

Trademe's asking of a FAL number doesn't require the number to be valid, but only to meet the formula of a FAL number.
I know, they weren't happy when I kept using made up ones because I didn't have my wallet on me to get my FAL number.

P.S this is what HDPA done with the FAL she had on the form, she didn't "borrow" anyone's FAL number, she just learnt the format of a FAL number and made one up.

E.g is T519845 a real FAL number?

Looks it, could even be, but I just made it up. So clever huh? Not.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Trademe's asking of a FAL number doesn't require the number to be valid, but only to meet the formula of a FAL number.
I know, they weren't happy when I kept using made up ones because I didn't have my wallet on me to get my FAL number.

P.S this is what HDPA done with the FAL she had on the form, she didn't "borrow" anyone's FAL number, she just learnt the format of a FAL number and made one up.

E.g is T519845 a real FAL number?

Looks it, could even be, but I just made it up. So clever huh? Not.

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.
I used to enter a false number that looked right (due to sharing of information etc) and they nailed me - wouldn't let me bid/question/sell anything firearm related until I provided them with a scanned copy of my license.

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.

You should know by now they have a big database of everyones info on everyone in NZ (and most developed nations).

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.
I used to enter a false number that looked right (due to sharing of information etc) and they nailed me - wouldn't let me bid/question/sell anything firearm related until I provided them with a scanned copy of my license.

I use a bullshit one on TM every time, I use my real one with the seller as its none of TMs business what my FAL number is. I just use the SAME bullshit number each time, no problems

They usually have a stamp too near the police use only section at the bottom?

ok i,ve never struck the stamp i dont think but not saying it dont exist.
story and that newsworthy are shit any way no loss.
as for occonnor remember his 58 guns siezed in 7 weeks .
well considering most are probably replicas non functioning toys and air rifles technicly not firearms id take his figures with a grain of salt.bring back jc he never stooped to this shit

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.
I used to enter a false number that looked right (due to sharing of information etc) and they nailed me - wouldn't let me bid/question/sell anything firearm related until I provided them with a scanned copy of my license.

You're missing the point, every time you follow the right formula, you can bid or ask a question. Yeah they might email after awhile and ask why you keep using different numbers, but you could have bought firearms well before the send an email.

Originally Posted by Jexla

You're missing the point, every time you follow the right formula, you can bid or ask a question. Yeah they might email after awhile and ask why you keep using different numbers, but you could have bought firearms well before the send an email.

Had a mate who made an error entering his number (accidentally reversed 2 of the numbers from the previous time he entered it)and TradeMe picked up on it immediately and banned him. I would say they look for differences between each time you enter your number. Although, there was a rumour a couple of years ago that TM were in possession of a full list of FA licence holders. Scary if that was the case but as I said a rumour.