Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

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So it turns out the police asked to speak to the staff involved, by they shut up shop and refused to be interviewed, hence the search.

Originally Posted by Tommy

So it turns out the police asked to speak to the staff involved, by they shut up shop and refused to be interviewed, hence the search.

Just to put some perspective on this. You have the right, in New Zealand, to say "I am maintaining my right to silence" when question by the Police. This applies to you, me, your mate, your mother and everyone. This is the reason we have appropriate judicial law in NZ, rather than the ad-loc random legal process in Russia, Malaysia, Thailand, USA and many other countries. Want to live in a country where the answer to a Police question comes from the end of a baton ?

Just because you may disagree with the particular circumstances doesn't dilute the process you have the option to exercise.

The posts for death, evisceration, and avoidance of a legal process we all all entitled to, is today in NZ, somewhat sickening. Simply because of an opinion people have, publicly.

Discussion is one thing, rampant mob behaviour because of the belief and obsession one is right, is quite sad.

Well, hopefully she will have a fair trial, and if she is not doing just home detention and community service, she will be able to write about the life conditions in mt Eden prison.

Just to put some perspective on this. You have the right, in New Zealand, to say "I am maintaining my right to silence" when question by the Police. This applies to you, me, your mate, your mother and everyone. This is the reason we have appropriate judicial law in NZ, rather than the ad-loc random legal process in Russia, Malaysia, Thailand, USA and many other countries. Want to live in a country where the answer to a Police question comes from the end of a baton ?

Just because you may disagree with the particular circumstances doesn't dilute the process you have the option to exercise.

The posts for death, evisceration, and avoidance of a legal process we all all entitled to, is today in NZ, somewhat sickening. Simply because of an opinion people have, publicly.

Discussion is one thing, rampant mob behaviour because of the belief and obsession one is right, is quite sad.

Thats fine, but don't cry foul when the police then exercise a search warrant to ensure they have the necessary evidence to back up a potential prosecution.
The whinging from HDPA and Soper is not justified if they refused to speak to the police, the police are entitled to search under warrant on the basis of reasonable grounds for specified items, if a crime has been committed. Its pretty clear that that is the case.

Whether the police choose to prosecute or not is a matter of discretion on their part, but they always do that with the consideration of the strength of their case in the first instance and then other considerations. It is quite pathetic to refuse to speak to the police and then claim that a search shouldn't have occurred as they would have provided the information required.... they had already refused...!!

The fact is, in spite of the media dribble about this - there was no loophole, and there was no actual problem. Despite that this circus broke the law, and as Aunty Ursula points out, there is no defence of public interest for criminal activity.

Originally Posted by Sidney

Thats fine, but don't cry foul when the police then exercise a search warrant to ensure they have the necessary evidence to back up a potential prosecution.

Oh I absolutely agree 100%.

I was merely pointing out the right to silence that everyone enjoys in NZ, and exercising that right appeared to be frowned upon.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Oh I absolutely agree 100%.

I was merely pointing out the right to silence that everyone enjoys in NZ, and exercising that right appeared to be frowned upon.

No not at all. But to complain publicly (as a Journalist) when the Police exercise their duty and then undertake a legal search? Priceless.

Mob Justice??? Maybe but legit firearms owners are becoming pretty sick an tired of being demonized by the Media. Mob Frustration at injustice is more like it.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

No not at all. But to complain publicly (as a Journalist) when the Police exercise their duty and then undertake a legal search? Priceless.

Mob Justice??? Maybe but legit firearms owners are becoming pretty sick an tired of being demonized by the Media. Mob Frustration at injustice is more like it.

And the media world are acting as a mob as well trying to dispense their own 'bush justice' trial by media of anyone else they have a gripe against. As has been pointed out that there are cars that can go faster than our open road speed limit, drugs can be sent via the mail system, you can rob a dairy with a knife, obtain and possess a firearm illegally, drive with no WOF/Rego, .... These are not loopholes they are criminal acts and if you get caught doing any of them you should not complain. Oh the hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by Kscott

The posts for death, evisceration, and avoidance of a legal process we all all entitled to, is today in NZ, somewhat sickening. Simply because of an opinion people have, publicly.

Discussion is one thing, rampant mob behaviour because of the belief and obsession one is right, is quite sad.

The comments made around hanging, drawing and quartering (and public flogging in another thread) were mine and no one else's so no rampant mob behaviour at all, just a single individual whose view on such things sits somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan. I am entitled to my view and absolutely defend your right to the view you have that supports a more refined, cultured politically corrected and somewhat less barbaric New Zealand society than I would have.

Originally Posted by Rushy

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The comments made around hanging, drawing and quartering (and public flogging in another thread) were mine and no one else's so no rampant mob behaviour at all, just a single individual whose view on such things sits somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan. I am entitled to my view and absolutely defend your right to the view you have that supports a more refined, cultured politically corrected and somewhat less barbaric New Zealand society than I would have.

I should've explained, the rampant mob behaviour that has been displayed online in multiple forums, as well as FB and blogs. Yours isn't the only one Rushy

It is not just the silly bag at TV3 who is in deep doggy poo, it is her partner in crime Garner, the TV3 exec who authorised the scam to proceed AND a certain Police Assn president who had only a week or so previously been bleating about " not knowing how crims got illegal guns"????? And, then this schemozzle occurred. I don't believe in coincidences!!! I firmly believe that this whole thing was dreamed up to try to expose a NON-EXISTENT loophole in the mail order procedure for us law abiding persons to legally obtain firearms by remote control.

As others have stated " THERE WAS NO LOOPHOLE".

MESSRS "SILLY BAG",GARNER ETC ETC ARE ALL GUILTY OF SEVERAL SERIOUS CRIMES & IF THE COPS DON'T PROSECUTE ALL OF THEM??? THEN I AM QUITE CONFIDENT THAT SOMEONE IN THE VICINITY OF CHRISTCHURCH WILL!!!!!

EVERYONE: WATCH THIS SPACE. JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED EVENTUALLY.

Beers to all law abiding firearm owners.

For your first posting mate you picked a doozie thread. You are not trying to draw us out are u?

Nope definitely not. Wouldn't dream of provoking anyone (except people who try to denigrate us law abiding firearm owners)
I have been watching this subject since day one & have been in communication with some of the people involved and I know that one + one = two which makes them all guilty of fraudulently forging a police officer's name etc & the illegal use of the Arms Office stamp.

I'm in the trade ( 20 years ) & I know that there were/are NO loopholes in the mail order system to close.!!

I think everyone on this forum wants to see the perpetrators get their collective beans!!! If the police don't do their legal duty then the Tipple lawyer probably will ( I hope??) & from past incidents that is the most likely scenario.
Keep watching this space!!!!

Note: yesterdays NZ Herald had a pretty fair write up of the current state of affairs on this subject.( 3rd Dec page A15 )

Originally Posted by top gun

It is not just the silly bag at TV3 who is in deep doggy poo, it is her partner in crime Garner, the TV3 exec who authorised the scam to proceed AND a certain Police Assn president who had only a week or so previously been bleating about " not knowing how crims got illegal guns"????? And, then this schemozzle occurred. I don't believe in coincidences!!! I firmly believe that this whole thing was dreamed up to try to expose a NON-EXISTENT loophole in the mail order procedure for us law abiding persons to legally obtain firearms by remote control.

As others have stated " THERE WAS NO LOOPHOLE".

MESSRS "SILLY BAG",GARNER ETC ETC ARE ALL GUILTY OF SEVERAL SERIOUS CRIMES & IF THE COPS DON'T PROSECUTE ALL OF THEM??? THEN I AM QUITE CONFIDENT THAT SOMEONE IN THE VICINITY OF CHRISTCHURCH WILL!!!!!

EVERYONE: WATCH THIS SPACE. JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED EVENTUALLY.

Beers to all law abiding firearm owners.

Welcome Top Gun. I'll have a Waikato please.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Welcome Top Gun. I'll have a Waikato please.

What sized jar Rushy?????

Originally Posted by Rushy

Welcome Top Gun. I'll have a Waikato please.

jesus i lived on that stuff when duck shooting there out of cambridge with me late uncle.
got marinated so often that i even ended up playing a rugby game for cambridge united seniors .
never while in charge of a gun or car tho but any other time was open slather.
found waikato for morning tea about as hard to digest as old style tui tho..
found the close your eyes open the throat and tommorrow be damned method most helpful