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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
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    Try a google search like police appeal for help .nz

    But maybe @systolic can explain to us in what ways NZ Police relies on the help of the public when the public is not legally obliged to do so.
    Done.
    Lots of results of course but none I saw asking licenced firearm owners for help specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danger Mouse View Post
    Cahill isn't able to make the police policy changes though?
    Exactly. It's not Cahill, he is just the mouth piece to front the real agenda. It is someone at PNHQ hierarchy - About time we all had a name to the face yeah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    Anybody else seen this yet?

    Police effectively ban A category AR-15s FIREARM OWNERS UNITED NZ

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    Nope, hadn't seen that; but I have a vetter coming to check my security this arvo (Recently moved house) si I wonder what effect the current plod attitude will have. This is so fkn wrong. I used to think nobody was above or beyond "the Law", but obviously Police is (deliberately) sic
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    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    Done.
    Lots of results of course but none I saw asking licenced firearm owners for help specifically.

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    My point was also a general one. A considerable proportion of the population are to a point alienated from the cops, what with being on the bottom of the social pile, criminal records etc. Alienate an additional quarter million people in the normal, law-abiding band. Not good.

    We have no interest in a poor relationship with police, and police have no interest in a poor relationship with 250,000 LFAOs. But good relationships always take two happy parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonetropo View Post
    i was there too. (i was the one that said get your kids into guns, they will never afford drugs)
    to be honest he was ok. the issue is cahill , the lefty government and pathetic sentences given for firearms violaions
    Personally I think you've got that wrong.
    Sure Mike seemed ok at the meetings, it was his job to appear that way and everything he said was lip service.
    Cahill is nothing but a mouth piece for Mike and his CO's, where they can't be seen to saying the things he does.
    Mike's office are the perpetrators of this policy, Mike is the head of that office. Police have been trying this stuff on and off testing the waters before there was ever a labour government also.
    This isn't the government, this is the unelected government, the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jexla View Post
    Personally I think you've got that wrong.
    Sure Mike seemed ok at the meetings, it was his job to appear that way and everything he said was lip service.
    Cahill is nothing but a mouth piece for Mike and his CO's, where they can't be seen to saying the things he does.
    Mike's office are the perpetrators of this policy, Mike is the head of that office. Police have been trying this stuff on and off testing the waters before there was ever a labour government also.
    This isn't the government, this is the unelected government, the police.
    I am reluctant to believe you, just don't want to. I want to believe in the good of government and police, I suppose just like the victim of a con artist later describes he or she deeply wanted to believe the con artist was honest and straight. Disappointing, what else to say.

    Anyway, this is clearly what the recent redacted police recommendations to the minister of police were about. If that is the case and a conversation took place on this topic I just can't imagine MOP is entirely ignorant of this deliberate obstructionism being carried out now. Two-face?
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    And then this happens...

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...home-detention

    It states "Patterson was able to buy 10 firearms on Hayes' TradeMe account using his name and firearm licence. The guns included two AK-47 type weapons. " and then it adds "While Hayes held a gun licence it didn't permit him to own military style semi-automatic weapons either.". So much for accuracy. If he got them from trade me they would not have been MSSA and if they are now MSSA it is because they modified them afterwards....

    Another question arises. If he enabled an unlicensed person to obtain firearms, is he still a fit and proper person to hold a license??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    I am reluctant to believe you, just don't want to. I want to believe in the good of government and police, I suppose just like the victim of a con artist later describes he or she deeply wanted to believe the con artist was honest and straight. Disappointing, what else to say.

    Anyway, this is clearly what the recent redacted police recommendations to the minister of police were about. If that is the case and a conversation took place on this topic I just can't imagine MOP is entirely ignorant of this deliberate obstructionism being carried out now. Two-face?
    Hardly redacted and personally doubt he didn't understand what was being said after they said "...this approach by Police is subject to legal challenge"

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    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    And then this happens...

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...home-detention

    It states "Patterson was able to buy 10 firearms on Hayes' TradeMe account using his name and firearm licence. The guns included two AK-47 type weapons. " and then it adds "While Hayes held a gun licence it didn't permit him to own military style semi-automatic weapons either.". So much for accuracy. If he got them from trade me they would not have been MSSA and if they are now MSSA it is because they modified them afterwards....

    Another question arises. If he enabled an unlicensed person to obtain firearms, is he still a fit and proper person to hold a license??????
    Lots of info missing here, how'd he get a mail order form completed with someone else's license?
    He didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
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    My point was also a general one. A considerable proportion of the population are to a point alienated from the cops, what with being on the bottom of the social pile, criminal records etc. Alienate an additional quarter million people in the normal, law-abiding band. Not good.

    We have no interest in a poor relationship with police, and police have no interest in a poor relationship with 250,000 LFAOs. But good relationships always take two happy parties.

    Yep the motiviation seems bizarre. Dont go thining they dont monitor this forum and facebook groups as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    I cant see that ever happening.
    They dont need us.

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    I would have said they most certainly do need 'us'.....they need the responsible firearms community to work WITH them,not be at loggerheads with them.That does not help anyone.And the way this policy change was sprung on everyone, without even any prior notification of the change.....is to me,not a very fair/reasonable way to do things....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jexla View Post
    Hardly redacted and personally doubt he didn't understand what was being said after they said "...this approach by Police is subject to legal challenge"

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    Lots of info missing here, how'd he get a mail order form completed with someone else's license?
    He didn't.
    So are they getting all motor vehicles capable of over 100km/h, and parts that could be used to modify or repair them, seized as well? That is a way people are getting around the 100km/h speed limits and breaking the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GDMP View Post
    I would have said they most certainly do need 'us'.....they need the responsible firearms community to work WITH them,not be at loggerheads with them.That does not help anyone.And the way this policy change was sprung on everyone, without even any prior notification of the change.....is to me,not a very fair/reasonable way to do things....
    They're not interested in "working with us". They are interested in one thing only - control. Maintaining it and expanding it where possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    They're not interested in "working with us". They are interested in one thing only - control. Maintaining it and expanding it where possible.
    That would be when "them and us" deteriorates into "them vs us". It's a fuzzy thin blue line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    That would be when "them and us" deteriorates into "them vs us". It's a fuzzy thin blue line.
    I believe that moment to be past tense now
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    Hi Guys ,

    They will do what ever they want too , right or wrong , legal or illegal , those words are meaningless to them , by fair means or fowl they will get their way , we need to be more political , and either form own party ? , or get reps in a existing party , AND vote for the party that has our interests at heart , & that means to me , not sticking to maybe your normal party , ie National or Labour or NZ1st or Greens , BUT the ONE that best aligns with hunters/shooters etc , that is whats needed by US .
    But few will do that , they will still vote for their usuall party reguardless .
    I see firearm ownership as the main indicator of a truely free democratic country , so , it shows Freedom , & that should be a Major aspect to most people that understand real freedom .
    Me I have always voted for National , apart from the one time social credit was around , as they are usually pro business , anti hand outs , and have worked in real jobs in the real world & tend to run country like a business , ie live within their means etc , not spent 15-20yrs at UNI , as professonal students/teachers , .
    So next election I will vote for the party that was the best to offer for hunters etc , and that maybe a party I have never voted for before .
    SO I vote for Freedom , thats more important than , being blinkered into always voting for your default party , also we need to make it clear that IF they lie & go back on thier word then we will vote against them next election , so as to hold them to account .
    Funny thing is , that this is not Labour or any party pushing this , its the Police , they are un-affected my our voting , BUT the Parties that are thier Bosses , are affected by voting , maybe they will listen , Opps maybe not .

    Rant over
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