Thread: Media Firearms beat-up continues

Originally Posted by stretch

I'm on the defensive because you claim Semi-auto 7.62 (and I assume you mean all Semi-auto center fire rifles) should not be available in NZ, and that's bullshit. They are a useful tool.

You ARE entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't magically mean your statements are valid. If you make an outlandish claim, expect to be roasted by the rest of this community.

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Why is my argument NOT valid ??? And what outlandish claims have I made ?? I said that they shouldn't be available to "un-trained" persons. In an "Ideal world" why do we need them ????

Originally Posted by Natatale

Why is my argument NOT valid ??? And what outlandish claims have I made ?? I said that they shouldn't be available to "un-trained" persons. In an "Ideal world" why do we need them ????

Why do you need ANY firearm. They are designed to KILL? How about only licensed pest controllers, no one else has the need except the ARMY.

Originally Posted by Natatale

Why is my argument NOT valid ??? And what outlandish claims have I made ?? I said that they shouldn't be available to "un-trained" persons. In an "Ideal world" why do we need them ????

A classic quote of the anti's. Firearms should only be in the hands of professionally trained people. Personally I didnt need the military to train me how to use a semi auto military rifle competently. Its a very basic machine after all.

Originally Posted by Natatale

And what outlandish claims have I made ??

How about this one...

Originally Posted by Natatale

Having semi auto 7.62 readably available to ANY person with a FAL is a recipe for a mass shooting.

Sweeping generalisation not supported by available evidence, looks like an outlandish claim to me. It may be your opinion and you're entitled to that, but it will go down better if you don't try to present it as a fact.

Originally Posted by GravelBen

How about this one...



Sweeping generalisation not supported by available evidence, looks like an outlandish claim to me. It may be your opinion and you're entitled to that, but it will go down better if you don't try to present it as a fact.

Ok sorry lets try it this way "In my opinion, having semi auto 7.62 readably available to ANY person with a FAL is a recipe for a mass shooting"

Originally Posted by Natatale

Ok sorry lets try it this way "In my opinion, having semi auto 7.62 readably available to ANY person with a FAL is a recipe for a mass shooting"

What an incredibly sad misguided individual.

Originally Posted by Natatale

Why is my argument NOT valid ??? And what outlandish claims have I made ?? I said that they shouldn't be available to "un-trained" persons. In an "Ideal world" why do we need them ????

What's this 'ideal world' rubbish?

These claims of yours are outlandish (just plain wrong):

Originally Posted by Natatale

This is the same debate that we had in Oz, before some dick decided to kill 36 people with a semi auto 7.62. Soon made everybody realise that military style semi-auto weapons aren't safe in civilian hands, they were made for War and Killing on mass.

Not EVERYBODY came to that realisation. Some more reasonable people would've figured out that ANY firearm is not safe in the hands of someone with serious mental health issues.

MSSAs are NOT made for 'war and killing en-mass' - they lack the full auto functionality of a modern military rifle.

Originally Posted by Natatale

There are places for these types of weapons and NZ doesn't really need them !!

NZ is a great place to lawfully use a semi-auto 7.62, or any other cal, MSSA or not. NZ DOES need them. The Police and the NZDF for obvious reasons. But if by 'NZ' you mean NZers, for private use, then there's plenty of useful stuff an individual doesn't NEED.

Originally Posted by Natatale

Hey I'm Ex-Military and love using firearms, but can you tell me where are there military shooting clubs that can train the novice shooters to use semi auto military type weapons??
Please get it that military rifles in the hands of civilians without proper training and guidance is a recipe for a mass shooting.

You keep changing the terminology you use. You've said MSSAs, semi-auto 7.62, semi-auto military type, and military rifles. They're different things, and there's different rules for each. Please clarify which type of firearm, or which set of features you have a problem with an A-cat FAL holder using.

Originally Posted by Natatale

But what I cant believe is that NZ doesn't have a basic fire arms registry, just for starters.
Which just leaves it wide open for mis-use.

We had a firearms register, it did nothing to solve or reduce crime, so it was binned. Same thing has been found in other countries, such as Canada. Evidence-based policy making. More govts should try it in more areas.

Originally Posted by Natatale

I feel much safer right here thanks !

You are advocating for tighter rules, yet feel safer in NZ than Oz, with its more restrictive gun laws. Doesn't make sense.



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