Thread: Media Firearms beat-up continues

I work at McCarthys and overheard that interview. In the interest of keeping my job I won't talk about my own opinions here, but bear in mind how the media like to spin things. After the online threat regarding the Otago University a journalist from the ODT came and asked me some questions at work about obtaining a pistol and here is the article that resulted 'Good chance' of tracing threat | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News
What I tried to explain was that pistols can be owned in NZ, but will be held under a C or B license. That anyone with a firearms license could buy ammunition that a handgun might be chambered for, which makes sense as many pistols are chambered in calibres that rifles also take, e.g. .22lr. I said each handgun is registered under the name of the owner, and (In theory) the police know exactly which handgun is owned by which licensed owner, however they obviously couldn't keep track of ones that were already owned illegally or ones smuggled into the country e.g. in a boat.
This is how she interpreted it:

"A Dunedin hunting and fishing store employee, who asked to remain anonymous, said the handgun posted with the threat online could be bought in New Zealand by a category C licence holder.

Bullets for the gun could be used for most category A (sporting) guns, so it would not be clear what the bullets were being bought for, the employee said.

Police kept a close eye on who owned handguns and obtaining one was a lengthy process.

However, they could not track stolen or imported guns, he said."

Originally Posted by tommygun

I work at McCarthys and overheard that interview. In the interest of keeping my job I won't talk about my own opinions here, but bear in mind how the media like to spin things. After the online threat regarding the Otago University a journalist from the ODT came and asked me some questions at work about obtaining a pistol and here is the article that resulted 'Good chance' of tracing threat | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News
What I tried to explain was that pistols can be owned in NZ, but will be held under a C or B license. That anyone with a firearms license could buy ammunition that a handgun might be chambered for, which makes sense as many pistols are chambered in calibres that rifles also take, e.g. .22lr. I said each handgun is registered under the name of the owner, and (In theory) the police know exactly which handgun is owned by which licensed owner, however they obviously couldn't keep track of ones that were already owned illegally or ones smuggled into the country e.g. in a boat.
This is how she interpreted it:

"A Dunedin hunting and fishing store employee, who asked to remain anonymous, said the handgun posted with the threat online could be bought in New Zealand by a category C licence holder.

Bullets for the gun could be used for most category A (sporting) guns, so it would not be clear what the bullets were being bought for, the employee said.

Police kept a close eye on who owned handguns and obtaining one was a lengthy process.

However, they could not track stolen or imported guns, he said."

thanks tommygun -you've just confirmed what I thought &wrote.

Originally Posted by tommygun

I work at McCarthys and overheard that interview. In the interest of keeping my job I won't talk about my own opinions here, but bear in mind how the media like to spin things. After the online threat regarding the Otago University a journalist from the ODT came and asked me some questions at work about obtaining a pistol and here is the article that resulted 'Good chance' of tracing threat | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News
What I tried to explain was that pistols can be owned in NZ, but will be held under a C or B license. That anyone with a firearms license could buy ammunition that a handgun might be chambered for, which makes sense as many pistols are chambered in calibres that rifles also take, e.g. .22lr. I said each handgun is registered under the name of the owner, and (In theory) the police know exactly which handgun is owned by which licensed owner, however they obviously couldn't keep track of ones that were already owned illegally or ones smuggled into the country e.g. in a boat.
This is how she interpreted it:

"A Dunedin hunting and fishing store employee, who asked to remain anonymous, said the handgun posted with the threat online could be bought in New Zealand by a category C licence holder.

Bullets for the gun could be used for most category A (sporting) guns, so it would not be clear what the bullets were being bought for, the employee said.

Police kept a close eye on who owned handguns and obtaining one was a lengthy process.

However, they could not track stolen or imported guns, he said."

I'd talk to any journalist, but I'd be asking to read the article before it goes to print to make sure that I have not been quoted out of context!
My wife is a racing journalist. When talking to horse owners, trainers she quite often has to do this.
What your seeing there is a very poor form of journalism.
The other thing I'd do is make an appointment with the journalist who wants to talk to you. Also record what is being said.
As I'm sure that you where recorded.
It's also down to what the editor wants in the paper.
Over here you generally get paid by the word. But this need to fill a limited space.
So if the interviewed gave a long winded answer then there going to cut it short.
A lot of journalist won't agree to letting you read the article but then you don't have to agree to talking to them!!

Lesson learnt?

Originally Posted by marky123

Lesson learnt?

Yep, say nothing and nothing gets said.

B

Lesson being nobody in the shooting community should give any MSM outlet the opportunity to twist their words, as in tell them to get bent.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Lesson being nobody in the shooting community should give any MSM outlet the opportunity to twist their words, as in tell them to get bent.

Also bear in mind emotive "they should be shot" posts, on a public forum that is read by anyone isn't helping either.

It re-enforces the stereotype that shooters are crazy people.

''Over the internet, or a mate talking to a mate down at the pub, nine times out of 10 they won't ask to see a gun licence."

I call bollocks on that one. Nearly every private firearm ad I've seen on the net says something like 'no licence no sale', and most sellers are well aware that if they get caught selling to someone without a licence they'd probably lose theirs.

As for private sales being 'a huge problem', they might be a problem to his profit margin but thats about all.

Yeah, I don't think I'll be speaking to them again.

5 kids a year are run over while backing out the driveway.
Vs 28 hunters killed in 20 years.
For those that want to save the world.... go jump on that band wagon!

The reporters email if anyone wishes to point out that our anonymous friends ommited some facts in their interview.

e.aingeroy@gmail.com

Originally Posted by Krameranzac

The reporters email if anyone wishes to point out that our anonymous friends ommited some facts in their interview.

e.aingeroy@gmail.com

I wouldnt waste my time.if she cant get it right first time or was after the ratings primarily.an email from us aint gonna make an iota of difference IMO.

Originally Posted by kotuku

I wouldnt waste my time.if she cant get it right first time or was after the ratings primarily.an email from us aint gonna make an iota of difference IMO.

Yes but write to the paper.

perhaps our friend Professor Clements may also share his opinion on the fact that his employers Otago university have twice featured in crime stats with academics being found guilty of murder -to wit psychiatrist Dr Colin Bouwer (whose son is banged up in Sth africa for the identical crime)and last but not least the hideous reptile Clayton "chucky"Weatherston.
This peace studies crap flourished under Jim Andertons mob ,the onerous highlight being when dopey Matt Robson minister. disarmament sent that ginga "anti "wally Professor Philip Alpers to a UN disarmament conference,which in itself was a bloody shambles
.two week talk fest -two line statement saying nothing could be agreed on .half the parties knew nowt about the agenda ,the other half didnt even know where the dunnies where !
Alpers incidentally is resident in a sydney varsity!
Alpers-former "fairgo "reporter had also authored some research along with his aussie mate .This however was peer reviewed by Prof Gary Mauser of simon Fraser university in Canada(who does know what hes talking about)and found to be defective in virtually every aspect. So bloody much for legislators relying on this info to draw up sound reasonable laws!

Any wee MSM reporter who comes near me will be met with 'whose shaggin ya now luv and canI quote you on that"-see how they like getting crap printed about em!!

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Originally Posted by kotuku

perhaps our friend Professor Clements may also share his opinion on the fact that his employers Otago university have twice featured in crime stats with academics being found guilty of murder -to wit psychiatrist Dr Colin Bouwer (whose son is banged up in Sth africa for the identical crime)and last but not least the hideous reptile Clayton "chucky"Weatherston.
This peace studies crap flourished under Jim Andertons mob ,the onerous highlight being when dopey Matt Robson minister. disarmament sent that ginga "anti "wally Professor Philip Alpers to a UN disarmament conference,which in itself was a bloody shambles
.two week talk fest -two line statement saying nothing could be agreed on .half the parties knew nowt about the agenda ,the other half didnt even know where the dunnies where !
Alpers incidentally is resident in a sydney varsity!
Alpers-former "fairgo "reporter had also authored some research along with his aussie mate .This however was peer reviewed by Prof Gary Mauser of simon Fraser university in Canada(who does know what hes talking about)and found to be defective in virtually every aspect. So bloody much for legislators relying on this info to draw up sound reasonable laws!

Any wee MSM reporter who comes near me will be met with 'whose shaggin ya now luv and canI quote you on that"-see how they like getting crap printed about em!!

I enjoy writing to Otago uni and asking why they continue to let Kevin embarrass them with his drivel. I know a few other people do too.