Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Unfortunately, many people in the general public no absolutely nothing about firearms and their owners and will blindly listen to these "journalists", without doing any of their own research.

It is extremely import that we as gun owners, set the best possible example we can of ourselves and to as many people as possible.
Otherwise we face becoming the opposition of most of the country and can kiss our rights goodbye, just as has happened in the UK and Australia.
I know most of us think Americans are crazy, but most of them are committed to positively influencing as many people as possible, even though they have it written in their Constitution they are allowed them, not a luxury we have.

is there something we can do to make our displeasure felt about this matter, as individuals or as a group ?

my partner just got off telling me i am ' all talk ' bless her heart . . in this case i don't want that to be true.

i am pissed off . . i want that woman and those that helped her stopped in their tracks, because if we don't they'll do it again. they can't help themselves the sick little puppies.

first off i am going to email GUNCITY and offer them my support . .. its not much but its a start, i wish others would also do the same.

if they TV3 pulled this shite in the US the NRA and gun owners would be all over their arse.

It would appear that it is a lot easier for firearms owners to be responsible than it is for journalists to be responsible. Bunch of dickheads they are.

Out for a good story, true, false, lies, deception, anything that sells and self promotes, it's a worrying trend all right Rushy

If these reporters think like "Americans" they should think about this just for a moment.



Mac

The problem is simple, these people don't want anyone except the Government to have a firearm. Regardless of what they may say that is the end game.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

The problem is simple, these people don't want anyone except the Government to have a firearm. Regardless of what they may say that is the end game.

he same week umpteen people died on the roads most armed with a weapon you dont need a licence to buy??
2 or 3 babies/children were killed by thier own family?? yet gun crime as the lowest homicide factor gets occonnors and storys attention. basicly cos the real crimes and thier fix are to hard to involve and might reqire some racially hard truths and a good long look at our own kids...we are a easy law abiding mostly target whose protests just getv written off as guncrazed.
guess the real problems have lost thier pull and soundbite ability. hang on who havent we picked on for a while no real reason but lets pull thier chain anyway we know they.l bite but it,l just look like guncrazy neandathols.

FFS. All of this defensiveness. And Americanisms.
We are killing each other with our guns for heaven's sake. That's why there is attention on us.

Deflecting the argument back to road, children and swimming deaths just illustrates our lack of self awareness about our inability to blame ourselves. We need to get our shit together, stop talking and behaving like cocks and every single one of us should present to the public as being responsible, with our guns and our mouths.

Nickoli. Is that plain enough for you?

Originally Posted by Tahr

FFS. All of this defensiveness. And Americanisms.
We are killing each other with our guns for heaven's sake. That's why there is attention on us.

Deflecting the argument back to road, children and swimming deaths just illustrates our lack of self awareness about our inability to blame ourselves. We need to get our shit together, stop talking and behaving like cocks and every single one of us should present to the public as being responsible, with our guns and our mouths.

Nickoli. Is that plain enough for you?

Thar - I addressed this in my response: any failure is because someone hasn't followed the 7 BASIC rules. Don't get your panties bunched up in a wad - I acknowledge that there are areas where work is needed. Sarcasm pisses me off.

Originally Posted by Tahr

FFS. All of this defensiveness. And Americanisms.
We are killing each other with our guns for heaven's sake. That's why there is attention on us.

Deflecting the argument back to road, children and swimming deaths just illustrates our lack of self awareness about our inability to blame ourselves. We need to get our shit together, stop talking and behaving like cocks and every single one of us should present to the public as being responsible, with our guns and our mouths.

Nickoli. Is that plain enough for you?

The reason we ought to draw attention to swimming, drinking, driving deaths etc is because it is a much greater problem than gun death. The amount of people killed with firearms is miniscule in the big picture. You would be ignorant of reality to think that people won't get killed with guns, regardless of what gun control measures are put in place. Think cause and effect. The deaths grabbing headlines are from people mishandling firearms and not identifying what they're shooting at. They aren't from people mail ordering guns to commit homicide. How will the media's firearm control measures stop licensed gun owners from fucking up and killing someone? I've heard things like gun registration, gun bans, make it harder to get a license. Great. It's not going to stop licensed shooters from unintentionally shooting another human.

Originally Posted by Tahr

FFS. All of this defensiveness. And Americanisms.
We are killing each other with our guns for heaven's sake. That's why there is attention on us.

Deflecting the argument back to road, children and swimming deaths just illustrates our lack of self awareness about our inability to blame ourselves. We need to get our shit together, stop talking and behaving like cocks and every single one of us should present to the public as being responsible, with our guns and our mouths.

Nickoli. Is that plain enough for you?

its not a epedemic tahr it one or two clustered together making it look that way.
shit the cops rightly or wrongly shot just as many in a week or so to put it in perspective.
yes where ever you have a potentialy dangerous weapon you ill have mistakes and stupidity.how we minimise that is upto every one of us. your right and yes americanisms dont apply cos we have no right to defence of ourselves or liberty in our constitution.
how is it that helped by someone pointing out that fraud and criminality will help you to make things worse.
by organising a conspiracy to defraud and taking advantage of a theoretical problem that i doubt is putting guns in crims hands cos its to much risk. i can see shipping guns privately becoming extinct and h&f and the like rubbing thier hands with glee.

Great. It's not going to stop licensed shooters from unintentionally shooting another human.

sadly no even people who train week in week out to actually shoot people or not, get it wrong.
how can we who dont be expected to be faultlesssly perfect? we cant but can do our best to be safe and instill it in others.

O'Conner has always appeared to be a great representative of the cops on the street,

then tell the truth about the 58 FIREARMS siezed in 7 weeks as usual its what he not saying that roots his arguement ie replica firearms air rifles

I I never read all of this thread however I thought I'd add a few points of my own.

The current system is a farce and needs to be sorted, however that doesn't give a reporter a right to break the law in order to expose it, she could have gone about it in a much more sensible and organised way. I'd love to be the one charging her but that would go to somebody a long way above me.

Whenever I've filled out these forms for people I've always scanned and emailed them or posted them is offical police envelopes for them, saves the buyer a stamp and let's me sleep a little easier. I've been doing this for a couple of years now. I also make sure the delivery address is the address which the licence is registered too, when they want it sent to their work I confirm the address it is being sent to.

O'Conner has always appeared to be a great representative of the cops on the street, I quite like the guy and I'm gutted that he's leaving. I will reserve any slagging of him until I actually know what involvement he has had, I'm sick of reading the bs speculation.

Guys we are all like the white ( or black) pawns on a chess board. We are on the same side. There is sense in what Thar has said and sense in what Nickoli has said. Passion as well in both.

We should heed the wisdom of ancient strategists. They still have application today.

Divide et Impera (Divide and Conquer) - Julius Caesar

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. - Sun Tsu

Even one accidental death at the hands of a legitimate licensed firearms owner is far too many.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/r...aths/toll.html

Ban Cycling
Ban Motorcyclists
Put speed Governors in all cars to 80kph

New Zealand statistics | Alcohol.org.nz

Ban Alcohol

Quad bike safety | Worksafe

Ban Quad Bikes

All kill more people than hunting accidents. I am not saying that we should not do more to stop accidents but collective punishment is just Stalinist politics.

Unfortunately it is a philosophical problem these people have with private firearm ownership. They will use anything they can.