Useing the firearms register

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Originally Posted by vulcannz

On the personal one it wants to lookup a "Firearm reference table ID". You fill out a search form, for example I enter type rifle, make Rossi, manufacturer CBC, calibre 17hmr and search. I am then presented with one option, a Rossi RB17 which has a reference table ID of F0606550. It then gives you an serial number option (which is not visible until you select a valid reference ID).

My rifle is a Rossi 8117. I'm not sure if they are the same action, but they are definitely different stocks and barrels. I don't want to roll the dice on registering my 8117 as an RB17.

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Huh. A quick look at the 8117, it seems that NZ is the only place that calls it that. It is the same rifle as the RB17 that I can see. Weird. Not advice to enter it as an RB17 by the way just yet. But I'll pass this along.

I've had a chat to one of the bosses here who has dealt with the FSA a bit. Our advice is to call them if the gun isn't on the list and ask to give them feedback about it.

Unfortunately it seems that the list is a design choice to keep it accurate as possible and I kind of agree. If we are all putting slight variations of the same thing then it just gets worse and worse.

Definitely give them the feedback about missing models etc. We've put it in our list of feedback too.

I think Ill probably have an issue. As I have a CZ600. But not the new CZ600 but rather a BRNO 600 that instead of being marked as a BRNO, is marked as CZ

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Originally Posted by Coop

Huh. A quick look at the 8117, it seems that NZ is the only place that calls it that. It is the same rifle as the RB17 that I can see. Weird. Not advice to enter it as an RB17 by the way just yet. But I'll pass this along.

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Nah, it's used in Europe as well. 8117 seems to correlate with the CBC model number, so maybe Rossi USA don't want punters there knowing it's a CBC made rifle. The RB17 action looks the same to me, but the stock is different. The action is the same used in the mossberg 817 and the Citadel 17HMR (which I don't think is in the catalog either) - just the stocks are all different.

So what I can gather so far from what I've read re putting the closest thing down If your exact firearm isn't on the register list is........what happens if the blue brigade come to your house with a list of what you've registered and and the particular item that was the closest to what you had isn't in your safe. Not your fault but get someone that's having a bad day and life could get pretty shitty for a while. even worse if theirs a couple of items not there....

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Originally Posted by Coop

I've had a chat to one of the bosses here who has dealt with the FSA a bit. Our advice is to call them if the gun isn't on the list and ask to give them feedback about it.

Unfortunately it seems that the list is a design choice to keep it accurate as possible and I kind of agree. If we are all putting slight variations of the same thing then it just gets worse and worse.

Definitely give them the feedback about missing models etc. We've put it in our list of feedback too.

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Problem is having a list is going to create issues - after all how many rifles are rechambered rebarreled or modified away from what they were and you just won't get that on the prepopulated list?

There are going to be a lot of people that can find theirs on the list - good o. A lot of people will drive down the list, find the nearest and probably not even realise that what they have is different to what they registered, and then others won't be able to complete online at all and need to go through the phone in and scratch heads. That's where it falls over, as then you've got humans entering in remotely and if they enter it wrong and you can't correct it who's fault is that? Not ideal, seems very rushed and not thought through. The fact you are only limited to alphanumeric characters with dash and slash is a bit of a headbutt too.

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Originally Posted by whanahuia

I think Ill probably have an issue. As I have a CZ600. But not the new CZ600 but rather a BRNO 600 that instead of being marked as a BRNO, is marked as CZ

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Yes, interface between the two names of the companies and before the model line up was completely refreshed. A similar one is ex-military rifles, commercially refurbed but with all the remanufacture details on the original barrel. A barrel or two later, hmm what do we actually have???

the same thing happened when looking at what was or wasnt included in the gun grab/buy up...... looking up what such n such was going to be worth was eye opening as to the lists

I may have missed this point in the various threads.
Test case here, not me.
So how the hell do you enter in the markings on an Iraqi Mauser? Not sure if Farsi or Arabic?
Calling 0800 won't help unless both people understand the script and how will it be entered in the database?
Translating into English won't work, as that is entering in incorrect information. Hello $20,000 fine or 2 years.

Looks like they are still adding to the catalog, my Chiappa Little Badger is now in there. Or are they getting added in due to phone ins?

Im astounded that so many folk are voluntarily doing this without a "trigger" event... Why would you?

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

I may have missed this point in the various threads.
Test case here, not me.
So how the hell do you enter in the markings on an Iraqi Mauser? Not sure if Farsi or Arabic?
Calling 0800 won't help unless both people understand the script and how will it be entered in the database?
Translating into English won't work, as that is entering in incorrect information. Hello $20,000 fine or 2 years.

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Antique Arms asked the same question and the answer is that you will need to put on a serial number in English.
You need to ring the 0800 number for instructions on how to get the serial number to use.

Needless to say the collectors in the room where not happy about defacing a collectable firearm.

The have a recording online they took of the Q&A session.

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Originally Posted by PeteD

Antique Arms asked the same question and the answer is that you will need to put on a serial number in English.
You need to ring the 0800 number for instructions on how to get the serial number to use.

Needless to say the collectors in the room where not happy about defacing a collectable firearm.

The have a recording online they took of the Q&A session.

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That information given was not quite correct. Police can give special dispensation for a tag to be attached with an appropriate serial number if the collectable item for example is of high value or an heirloom.

I cannot guess why the presenter didn't mention that.

And this information is on their website and has also been communicated via Andrew @ Antique Arms.

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Originally Posted by winchesterM69A

Im astounded that so many folk are voluntarily doing this without a "trigger" event... Why would you?

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well SOME folks...not mentioning names here...... like to buy and resell rifles more often than they change oil in car SOME FOLKS do it a lot more often than that too.....so once its over n done with..they can carry on as usual.

FFS.
Had a go at this register rifle thing.
I'll have to call the 0800 number for half my firearms for missing key data not being on their lists, including manufacturer. Not having Longbranch, Fazakarley and Lithgow? Seriously?
One of my firearms I could only put in 'Rifle' and '.223Rem'. The drop down fields having nothing else relevant.

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

FFS.
Had a go at this register rifle thing.
I'll have to call the 0800 number for half my firearms for missing key data not being on their lists, including manufacturer. Not having Longbranch and Lithgow? Seriously?
One of my firearms I could only put in 'Rifle' and '.223Rem'. The drop down fields having nothing else relevant.

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Unfortunately part of the reason I want nothing to do with it until I have a trigger event.
I have no patience or desire in being a test case for any of this.
The inevitable IT issues that comes with any new database has yet to come and if the election changes the goal post then it may have been a colossal waste of time.

I am happy to wait until I legally have to interact with it.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

well SOME folks...not mentioning names here...... like to buy and resell rifles more often than they change oil in car SOME FOLKS do it a lot more often than that too.....so once its over n done with..they can carry on as usual.

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I’ll just hang onto what I already have and not buy any more until the dust has settled.

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Originally Posted by PeteD

Unfortunately part of the reason I want nothing to do with it until I have a trigger event.
I have no patience or desire in being a test case for any of this.
The inevitable IT issues that comes with any new database has yet to come and if the election changes the goal post then it may have been a colossal waste of time.

I am happy to wait until I legally have to interact with it.

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I've left mine unsubmitted until its fixed. I have better things to do than speak on the phone explaining this.

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

FFS.
Had a go at this register rifle thing.
I'll have to call the 0800 number for half my firearms for missing key data not being on their lists, including manufacturer. Not having Longbranch, Fazakarley and Lithgow? Seriously?
One of my firearms I could only put in 'Rifle' and '.223Rem'. The drop down fields having nothing else relevant.

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I said that with the LE's already - feeling your pain. Also, no ability to add ()* and any other weird symbol that armourers may have used over the years to denote modifications and the like - neat.

Not being able to specify the factory or armoury that made them just totally increases the chances of two rifles having the same serial number too.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

well SOME folks...not mentioning names here...... like to buy and resell rifles more often than they change oil in car SOME FOLKS do it a lot more often than that too.....so once its over n done with..they can carry on as usual.

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Who changes oil in their car :yaeh am not durnk: :D :D :D

I feel triggered, do I need to register now :ORLY: :yaeh am not durnk:

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Originally Posted by winchesterM69A

Im astounded that so many folk are voluntarily doing this without a "trigger" event... Why would you?

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I'm pleased other people are doing this.

Hopefully, by the time I have to register (probably March 2024) most of the bugs will have been found and resolved.

As a software professional I avoid v1.0 of any software product.

The last 2 firearms I bought were via mail order forms.
Of course neither of those were listed on the register database, despite NZP or FSA approving the purchase.

Likewise.

I had no choice just moved into house.

shoulda moved a week earlier , huh? :-)

I registered my firearms today. Taking a rifle overseas soon which is probably viewed as "export" and "import", an activating matter and as I had time today during a wet afternoon decided to get it done.
Bear in mind I'm a computer dinosaur so I struggled with it until I got into the swing a bit. First off I had to set up a RealMe account, that enables access to the Register. Then once into the Register it took a bit of doing I found. Initially I was pretty slow due to confusion over filling in the bars on an entry page ( one entry for each firearm ). There are pre-populated drop down boxes but ignore these until you have fillid in all the bars you can on the initial page. Then you press the top right "firearm identification" button ( incorrect name but you will know what I mean ) and when you have selected the correct option the entry page automatically updates with all the info. Luckily the correct info for all my firearms was in the drop down boxes. Only when the entry page updates does the bar for Serial No entry appear which you then fill in. If your particular calibre doesn't appear in drop down just pick something close which will automatically enter which you can then manually edit for the correct calibre.
If you're slow like me I think it best to do a few entries then submit them before carrying on later. I planned to submit all mine in one go but at some point info appeared saying I had timed out and I was logged out. So, all that info was lost and I had to redo it later. Bloody annoying.
I rang the 0800 number four times for guidance and assistance. All the ladies tried hard to be helpful although some were a bit bamboozled. I got passed onto the last one I spoke to who obviously was a system whiz as she got me sorted in next to no time.
It took me all afternoon to get finished ( I'm really slow ) and once info is submitted it gets confirmed and your list is viewable. I didn't find it the easiest system to use and thought it probably set up by non-firearm nerds but still managed eventually. I think for guys with wildcat calibres it might be a little more challenging but I think manual editing should be the go there.
I don't support the Register and wish we didn't have to endure this. But now it's the law and just how it is. If I thought I had the option I would have held off until after the elections.

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Originally Posted by 30.06king

I registered my firearms today. Taking a rifle overseas soon which is probably viewed as "export" and "import", an activating matter and as I had time today during a wet afternoon decided to get it done.
Bear in mind I'm a computer dinosaur so I struggled with it until I got into the swing a bit. First off I had to set up a RealMe account, that enables access to the Register. Then once into the Register it took a bit of doing I found. Initially I was pretty slow due to confusion over filling in the bars on an entry page ( one entry for each firearm ). There are pre-populated drop down boxes but ignore these until you have fillid in all the bars you can on the initial page. Then you press the top right "firearm identification" button ( incorrect name but you will know what I mean ) and when you have selected the correct option the entry page automatically updates with all the info. Luckily the correct info for all my firearms was in the drop down boxes. Only when the entry page updates does the bar for Serial No entry appear which you then fill in. If your particular calibre doesn't appear in drop down just pick something close which will automatically enter which you can then manually edit for the correct calibre.
If you're slow like me I think it best to do a few entries then submit them before carrying on later. I planned to submit all mine in one go but at some point info appeared saying I had timed out and I was logged out. So, all that info was lost and I had to redo it later. Bloody annoying.
I rang the 0800 number four times for guidance and assistance. All the ladies tried hard to be helpful although some were a bit bamboozled. I got passed onto the last one I spoke to who obviously was a system whiz as she got me sorted in next to no time.
It took me all afternoon to get finished ( I'm really slow ) and once info is submitted it gets confirmed and your list is viewable. I didn't find it the easiest system to use and thought it probably set up by non-firearm nerds but still managed eventually. I think for guys with wildcat calibres it might be a little more challenging but I think manual editing should be the go there.
I don't support the Register and wish we didn't have to endure this. But now it's the law and just how it is. If I thought I had the option I would have held off until after the elections.

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Useful post, thanks for telling us about your experience

Every time i go into the website its crashed.......

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Originally Posted by Sika 8

Every time i go into the website its crashed.......

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I went in yesterday, three times in total IIRC.
No problems at all.
Perhaps try early in the week .... ?? Maybe fewer guys attempting to access then....

So how does it work registering an unbarrelled action?
Does it let you if it has no calibre?

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Originally Posted by csmiffy

So how does it work registering an unbarrelled action?
Does it let you if it has no calibre?

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try it and find out...and let us know as Ive got 2 lol

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

I may have missed this point in the various threads.
Test case here, not me.
So how the hell do you enter in the markings on an Iraqi Mauser? Not sure if Farsi or Arabic?
Calling 0800 won't help unless both people understand the script and how will it be entered in the database?
Translating into English won't work, as that is entering in incorrect information. Hello $20,000 fine or 2 years.

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They touched on this in the gun city interview with the FSA and looks like you will be required to stamp another number to mark it with.

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

I may have missed this point in the various threads.
Test case here, not me.
So how the hell do you enter in the markings on an Iraqi Mauser? Not sure if Farsi or Arabic?
Calling 0800 won't help unless both people understand the script and how will it be entered in the database?
Translating into English won't work, as that is entering in incorrect information. Hello $20,000 fine or 2 years.

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You add your own dreamt up serial number. I have a cannon with no serial so it will be my initials and a 1800s year.

I see there's now an inane radio ad trying to herd the masses into registering -now-.

numerically 6-20-16 works for me

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Originally Posted by winchesterM69A

numerically 6-20-16 works for me

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Might be a common serial number, or prefix.

The FSA protocol for renumbering can be sumarised to two of your initials so 2 alphas, then the year so 2 digits, then 4 or so digits from your FAL, then if you have more than 1 to do, dash 1 etc.

wonder can you use mm hh bp ha etc for lettering :thumbsup:

I have a couple of barrels that need serial numbers for import into South Africa for the world champs.

I am going with B-YY-1 & B-TTT-YY-2 where B is a single letter for the Brand TTT is the twist rate (11.5 = 115) YY is the year of chambering then the barrel number.

I've borrowed a hand engraving tool for the purpose.

so - if you number an un-numbered firearm before you enter it into the register , the FSA has jurisdiction over what that number shall be ?

Cant see how an already numbered firearm can suddenly be subject to their numbering ideas.....