Useing the firearms register

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Originally Posted by vulcannz

You mean that's the way 1990s databases work.

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So, the new firearms register database then. :)

According to their official line at the launch of the register ammunition purchase doesn't become a trigger event till mid 2025 that's probably so the bugs can be sorted out and a reasonable number of entries already made before it gets swamped. I have no idea if it is intended to record each purchase ie amount, calibre, date and possibly supplier and location against a fal or if it's just a trigger event if you're not already in the system.
I do know clubs are supposed to keep records of ammunition sales for 2 years now

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Originally Posted by PadLo

I've got a winchester .22 single shot that has no serial number, I asked the arms team on the phone what to do and they just said "it will have a serial number, even rifles from the 1800's have serial numbers", but even after being told that, It still doesn't have a serial number. I was aslo told that there no point delaying using the register because next year buying ammo will be a triggering event....

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A: Stock up on ammo now. B:In politics, next year is a long way off. C: Screw them.

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Originally Posted by 30.06king

OK, @tibo
I think I've got this right.
1). First, log in to your Registry account.
2). It should bring up this page with my submissions in blue text at top right. Click on that.
https://i.postimg.cc/SRBbxn8D/20230705-193839.jpg
3). Then, this page should appear with "my firearms submitted forms" in black text at the top. Click on that. It opens the page showing at step 4
https://i.postimg.cc/Pfz7LFHd/20230705-194024-Copy.jpg
4). This page is the summary of your submitted registry entries which should separately list each individually registered firearm.
On the left are code numbers in blue text ( REG - ****** ). Click on the blue code and the page of your registered firearms, including details, should appear.
https://i.postimg.cc/Y91pZcPv/20230705-194121.jpg

Hope all this works for you. Cheers

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Thanks mate appreciate that. I will have a look tonight

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Originally Posted by PadLo

I've got a winchester .22 single shot that has no serial number, I asked the arms team on the phone what to do and they just said "it will have a serial number, even rifles from the 1800's have serial numbers", but even after being told that, It still doesn't have a serial number. I was aslo told that there no point delaying using the register because next year buying ammo will be a triggering event....

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Unless they just gave you some inside knowledge what they said was totally incorrect. June 25 ammo kicks in. It's in THEIR website.
However, my predicition is if the register doesn't populate at their expected rate they may pull a swifty and bring the ammo date fwd.

Just invent a number of your own and engrave it. I did 2 shotguns a couple of years ago (nothing to do with the register back then) and just concocted numbers which were a combination of my street address mixed up plus 5 other random numbers.
I used a pneumatic pen but a vibratory engraver will do the same job. Simple.

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Originally Posted by PadLo

I've got a winchester .22 single shot that has no serial number, I asked the arms team on the phone what to do and they just said "it will have a serial number, even rifles from the 1800's have serial numbers", but even after being told that, It still doesn't have a serial number. I was aslo told that there no point delaying using the register because next year buying ammo will be a triggering event....

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I watched the talk that Te Tari Pukeko gave to the Auckland Antique Arms Accoc on YouTube. This question came up as some of the guys there have very old firearms without a serial number. Apparently they expect you to deface your firearm and add a serial number. If I recall correctly at that time of the video they were writing some guidelines for this situation that hadn't yet been published.

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Originally Posted by vulcannz

You mean that's the way 1990s databases work.

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With SAP isn't that what we've got?

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Originally Posted by Fatberg

I watched the talk that Te Tari Pukeko gave to the Auckland Antique Arms Accoc on YouTube. This question came up as some of the guys there have very old firearms without a serial number. Apparently they expect you to deface your firearm and add a serial number. If I recall correctly at that time of the video they were writing some guidelines for this situation that hadn't yet been published.

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There's going to be a lot of "1" and "2" being used. Or using anything that is marked on the thing, doesn't have to be numbers in reality.

I wonder would fuckedifiknow would pass as a serial no.:)

Are we all sending them an invoice for our time?

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Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Aparently built on SAP their consultants will get very rich.

The problems noted above are somewhat concerning to say the least.

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Let's face it. Everytime govt in NZ tries an IT thing they fuck it up

We need a "you're bloody right but I can't like it" button...

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Originally Posted by Steve123

Let's face it. Everytime govt in NZ tries an IT thing they fuck it up

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Yup
They are good at fuckery but they seem to do even better when IT is involved

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Originally Posted by blip

Rifle, shotgun, pistol, serial no should be all they need....why do they need to know cal etc?

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So when they start restricting ammo sales, they will know what you can buy. Conspiracy? Look at other countries with registers. When confiscations of "high power" firearms start ie WA and Canada, they will know how many of what to confiscate.
To repeat myself this is a political undertaking.

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Originally Posted by Steve123

Let's face it. Everytime govt in NZ tries an IT thing they fuck it up

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IRDs new system works pretty well, came in under budget and on time.

Where NZ had trouble was they wanted bespoke solutions for each agency. The system running the register was an off the shelf product, with some minor cosmetic tweaks, not a bespoke solution.

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Originally Posted by HG Man

IRDs new system works pretty well, came in under budget and on time.

Where NZ had trouble was they wanted bespoke solutions for each agency. The system running the register was an off the shelf product, with some minor cosmetic tweaks, not a bespoke solution.

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“Off the shelf product” …. Not Canadian by any chance?

Tricky little job to do the website registration - at least for me.

Few little steps that aren't quite so clear. Finally rang the help number and - eventually - got a young lady who helped me register (submit) 2 of my rifles on the site. Then was able to do the rest without hiccups. As others have mentioned earlier, the helper enabled this to be done promptly. Recommended. And good to have this job done.

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Originally Posted by chainsaw

“Off the shelf product” …. Not Canadian by any chance?

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Australian. Objective Corp is the outfits name.

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Originally Posted by mudgripz

Tricky little job to do the website registration - at least for me.

Few little steps that aren't quite so clear. Finally rang the help number and - eventually - got a young lady who helped me register (submit) 2 of my rifles on the site. Then was able to do the rest without hiccups. As others have mentioned earlier, the helper enabled this to be done promptly. Recommended. And good to have this job done.

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Glad to get your thoughts. Your experience pretty much parallels mine. The steps to recording details are not all obvious or instinctive and it's easy to become flustered, at least that's my experience. But the call centre staff are eager to help although you can tell they are also struggling with the system a bit. But once you understand and follow the necessary steps getting the info into the register is fairly easy.

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Originally Posted by HG Man

Australian. Objective Corp is the outfits name.

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They won the 13 million dollar contract to set up the registry over 5 yrs , they were fined $1.5mil in the courts here around the same time for breaching commerce act rules I believe go figure ….

Strange experience so far.

I tried to finish setting up my profile and it wouldn’t recognise my license and kept getting error messages. Range up the helpline and was told to try with capital letters instead. First red flag that a public access data driven piece of software doesn’t work properly when it only accepts capital letters… Anyway it still didn’t work. The lady mentioned there had been numerous calls with the same issue, but weirdly she still act all baffled when mine wouldn’t work. So it’s been elevated to technical support to get fixed and might take up to a week…

While I had someone on the phone, I decided to clarify some things. It’s been mentioned about custom/wildcat calibres already but I asked the question about how it will work. I was out on hold, and she came back with the answer that I would have to phone in the details of a firearm of custom caliber and they would input it into the system. I think this is a different answer to what has been already mentioned. No clue to which is correct…

I asked about registering unbarreled actions and what caliber they would be. I was out through to an ‘arms officer’ to be the answer. His answer was ‘wow great question, I’ve never been asked that one.’ �� Really? Ok then. Anyway, the answer is that it doesn’t require a caliber, just make model and serial.

I also asked if I would be still given a full 30 days allowance for registration, given that I may not be able to access the system for a week while the previous issue is being addressed, and that I have an activating event today. The response was general confusion and uncertainty, and a muttering about ‘oh you’ll probably be ok.’ Not very reassuring.

So far pretty unimpressed.

I have rifles that don't have a model on them....fun times

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Originally Posted by -BW-

Strange experience so far.

I tried to finish setting up my profile and it wouldn’t recognise my license and kept getting error messages. Range up the helpline and was told to try with capital letters instead. First red flag that a public access data driven piece of software doesn’t work properly when it only accepts capital letters… Anyway it still didn’t work. The lady mentioned there had been numerous calls with the same issue, but weirdly she still act all baffled when mine wouldn’t work. So it’s been elevated to technical support to get fixed and might take up to a week…

While I had someone on the phone, I decided to clarify some things. It’s been mentioned about custom/wildcat calibres already but I asked the question about how it will work. I was out on hold, and she came back with the answer that I would have to phone in the details of a firearm of custom caliber and they would input it into the system. I think this is a different answer to what has been already mentioned. No clue to which is correct…

I asked about registering unbarreled actions and what caliber they would be. I was out through to an ‘arms officer’ to be the answer. His answer was ‘wow great question, I’ve never been asked that one.’ �� Really? Ok then. Anyway, the answer is that it doesn’t require a caliber, just make model and serial.

I also asked if I would be still given a full 30 days allowance for registration, given that I may not be able to access the system for a week while the previous issue is being addressed, and that I have an activating event today. The response was general confusion and uncertainty, and a muttering about ‘oh you’ll probably be ok.’ Not very reassuring.

So far pretty unimpressed.

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Yep, making it case insensitive is easy and one of the fundamentals

It seems like they have cobbled together a system to record Tikka's and Howa's and everything else is just an afterthought. I wonder just actually how useful some of this data will be to police and crown law when it comes to prosecutions if they are reliant on register information that has just been winged to make it work.

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Originally Posted by Beavis

It seems like they have cobbled together a system to record Tikka's and Howa's and everything else is just an afterthought. I wonder just actually how useful some of this data will be to police and crown law when it comes to prosecutions if they are reliant on register information that has just been winged to make it work.

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I don't know if every possible make is loaded into the system but looked to me like quite a comprehensive list. All my firearms are relatively well known makes so I didn't have too much trouble listing them. I would think once one understands the steps required it will be possible to self list the great majority firearms. Really obscure makes I presume will need a phone call to record details.

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Originally Posted by -BW-

Strange experience so far.

I tried to finish setting up my profile and it wouldn’t recognise my license and kept getting error messages. Range up the helpline and was told to try with capital letters instead. First red flag that a public access data driven piece of software doesn’t work properly when it only accepts capital letters… Anyway it still didn’t work. The lady mentioned there had been numerous calls with the same issue, but weirdly she still act all baffled when mine wouldn’t work. So it’s been elevated to technical support to get fixed and might take up to a week…

While I had someone on the phone, I decided to clarify some things. It’s been mentioned about custom/wildcat calibres already but I asked the question about how it will work. I was out on hold, and she came back with the answer that I would have to phone in the details of a firearm of custom caliber and they would input it into the system. I think this is a different answer to what has been already mentioned. No clue to which is correct…

I asked about registering unbarreled actions and what caliber they would be. I was out through to an ‘arms officer’ to be the answer. His answer was ‘wow great question, I’ve never been asked that one.’ �� Really? Ok then. Anyway, the answer is that it doesn’t require a caliber, just make model and serial.

I also asked if I would be still given a full 30 days allowance for registration, given that I may not be able to access the system for a week while the previous issue is being addressed, and that I have an activating event today. The response was general confusion and uncertainty, and a muttering about ‘oh you’ll probably be ok.’ Not very reassuring.

So far pretty unimpressed.

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Pretty much how I felt about it initially.
Like me it looks like you were put onto staff who were not intimately familiar with the registration system, and in fact the impression I got was that was most of them unfortunately. But on one of my calls I dealt with one young lady who was a real whiz and walked me through my difficulty in no time. But yes, dealing with the call centre personnel requires patience.
For custom / wildcat calibres I still think it's possible to self register these. Sufficient details have to be entered first before you get asked to choose further options which included a whole raft of calibres. I was told that if a particular ( wildcat / custom ) calibre doesn't appear to just enter something close from the list and when that appears in your submission you can manually change it to the correct calibre. That's what I did and it worked. Later I checked in the final summary of all my registered firearms and it was correctly detailed.
Never fear though, if you can't make the system work they will do it for you over the phone.

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Originally Posted by -BW-

Strange experience so far.

I tried to finish setting up my profile and it wouldn’t recognise my license and kept getting error messages. Range up the helpline and was told to try with capital letters instead. First red flag that a public access data driven piece of software doesn’t work properly when it only accepts capital letters… Anyway it still didn’t work. The lady mentioned there had been numerous calls with the same issue, but weirdly she still act all baffled when mine wouldn’t work. So it’s been elevated to technical support to get fixed and might take up to a week…

While I had someone on the phone, I decided to clarify some things. It’s been mentioned about custom/wildcat calibres already but I asked the question about how it will work. I was out on hold, and she came back with the answer that I would have to phone in the details of a firearm of custom caliber and they would input it into the system. I think this is a different answer to what has been already mentioned. No clue to which is correct…

I asked about registering unbarreled actions and what caliber they would be. I was out through to an ‘arms officer’ to be the answer. His answer was ‘wow great question, I’ve never been asked that one.’ �� Really? Ok then. Anyway, the answer is that it doesn’t require a caliber, just make model and serial.

I also asked if I would be still given a full 30 days allowance for registration, given that I may not be able to access the system for a week while the previous issue is being addressed, and that I have an activating event today. The response was general confusion and uncertainty, and a muttering about ‘oh you’ll probably be ok.’ Not very reassuring.

So far pretty unimpressed.

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Thanks for taking the time to write it up, this sort of info is very helpful to the rest of us

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Originally Posted by 30.06king

Pretty much how I felt about it initially.
Like me it looks like you were put onto staff who were not intimately familiar with the registration system, and in fact the impression I got was that was most of them unfortunately. But on one of my calls I dealt with one young lady who was a real whiz and walked me through my difficulty in no time. But yes, dealing with the call centre personnel requires patience.
For custom / wildcat calibres I still think it's possible to self register these. Sufficient details have to be entered first before you get asked to choose further options which included a whole raft of calibres. I was told that if a particular ( wildcat / custom ) calibre doesn't appear to just enter something close from the list and when that appears in your submission you can manually change it to the correct calibre. That's what I did and it worked. Later I checked in the final summary of all my registered firearms and it was correctly detailed.
Never fear though, if you can't make the system work they will do it for you over the phone.

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THIS is why I always write down time n date and name of person Im dealing with on phone...one second phone call I quote what first person said with time n date...new person bucks up ideas quicksmartly as know they in turn will be quoted... this young lady who is a whizz...pity we dont know her name or could ask for her directly LOL.

No point @Micky Duck she will be unemployed Monday or at best suspended on full pay for being helpful.

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Originally Posted by HG Man

Australian. Objective Corp is the outfits name.

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What an ironic name.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

THIS is why I always write down time n date and name of person Im dealing with on phone...one second phone call I quote what first person said with time n date...new person bucks up ideas quicksmartly as know they in turn will be quoted... this young lady who is a whizz...pity we dont know her name or could ask for her directly LOL.

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Hi @Micky Duck
It would have been a good idea to ask her name. I regret not thinking to do so. She might have thought me a lecherous old man with ungentlemanly intentions 🤣 which is far from the case but she really was a delight to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

THIS is why I always write down time n date and name of person Im dealing with on phone...one second phone call I quote what first person said with time n date...new person bucks up ideas quicksmartly as know they in turn will be quoted... this young lady who is a whizz...pity we dont know her name or could ask for her directly LOL.

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Likewise. But I'm shite at remembering names after so always write the name down whilst still on the phone. Also record the time of the call.
I also delight with some calls, asking for their name. I always state mine so why shouldn't they do likewise, out of courtesy.

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Originally Posted by zimmer

Likewise. But I'm shite at remembering names after so always write the name down whilst still on the phone. Also record the time of the call.
I also delight with some calls, asking for their name. I always state mine so why shouldn't they do likewise, out of courtesy.

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And if you aren't getting good service ask them for their name and their supervisor's name.
When they ask why tell them "If I have to phone back I'll be asking to speak with your supervisor not you."

It might be a good idea to use the call recorder software on your phone, along with time/date/operator name while the system is in it's infancy just to have some sort of proof to fall back on should anything happen with details being entered incorrectly.

If you decide to record the call, you should disclose the fact that you are recording, and you can ask for copies of your calls should the need arise.

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Originally Posted by PadLo

If you decide to record the call, you should disclose the fact that you are recording, and you can ask for copies of your calls should the need arise.

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But it's not necessary, in NZ the law is you can record a conversation as long as ONE participant is aware it is being recorded (that would be you).

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Originally Posted by PadLo

you can ask for copies of your calls should the need arise.

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I'm pretty sure that it was said that you can't do this at the Antique Arms event (Mcilraith)

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Originally Posted by vulcannz

But it's not necessary, in NZ the law is you can record a conversation as long as ONE participant is aware it is being recorded (that would be you).

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I think in custody dispute situations in court at least, it was made clear that ALL parties need to be aware that the call is being recorded. Otherwise, quite possibly an offence has been committed and the call recordings can't be used in court?

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Originally Posted by No.3

I think in custody dispute situations in court at least, it was made clear that ALL parties need to be aware that the call is being recorded. Otherwise, quite possibly an offence has been committed and the call recordings can't be used in court?

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https://www.privacy.org.nz/tools/knowledge-base/view/31

Record everything, I guarantee they will be regardless if they issue a recording disclosure or not.
Diary dates, names and reasons of calls too,
Phone bills records date times and length for court purposes should it ever come to that

Re the question about custom wildcats, the wesite is not asking for the cartridge name or dimentions that you rifle is chambered in they only ask for caliber.
The definition of caliber is the nominal diameter of the bore, so be sure to put the correct legal details they are asking for. Eg, .22 long rifle is .219", .303 British is .312", 8x57 is .323" etc

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Originally Posted by Wingman

Re the question about custom wildcats, the wesite is not asking for the cartridge name or dimentions that you rifle is chambered in they only ask for caliber.
The definition of caliber is the nominal diameter of the bore, so be sure to put the correct legal details they are asking for. Eg, .22 long rifle is .219", .303 British is .312", 8x57 is .323" etc

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Good point