Why would you worry, if they’re secured, I’ve had extended trips overseas and never given them a thought, of course now , if it over 6 weeks, they stop my pension:O_O:Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
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Why would you worry, if they’re secured, I’ve had extended trips overseas and never given them a thought, of course now , if it over 6 weeks, they stop my pension:O_O:Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
He talks a big game. We shall see. Fuck him and his straw buyer shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
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Ha, that'll slow you down...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
I'm in the same boat kind of as @JustAnotherSpearo we have 3 Fal holders in the household and have one safe that we all share.
wonder how that all works. when it comes to whose guns are whose wonder if we will need to label them with name and FAL number for when we get inspected
we will be due an inspection next year. as mums license is up for renewal
What about all the firearms & there are plenty of them so far, with incorrect cartridges or models recorded against their info as they "aren't on the list" so the "closest one is used"
Its going to take ages to register my personal firearms, very few "standard off the shelf" ones amongst them & I'm not interested at all in incorrect info being loaded against them
Hopefully they will have that sorted by then........
Not sorted yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Several of mine are registered wrong caliber at their insistence
I intend getting them changed to correct in a few months
They struggled with
.25 Rimfire
12.7x44R
50 Eley which is what's on the barrel and went in as 500 3" BPE. That's what it is but not in the barrel
Unknown maker
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And 307 Winchester you really couldn't cope with and it went in as 308 Win !
Right now this is a laugh,but down the track you will need the papers to be correct in order to buy the cartridges for you rifle.
It's not a laugh it's a complete clusterfluck. This should have been sorted out prior to 'go-live'...Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
Yeah well same
Got a 308 P14. That should be a 303
Also have a 25-303, same deal. Wonder if it will throw the toys out of the cot.
The obvious thing here is they have tried to make it as easy for their data entry as possible bit onle works for what they have decided to be a definitive list.
A bit like the great confiscation....I mean buy back. They tried to Pigeon hole every single different one so they could identify value, which ultimately meant they missed some out.
You all need to realise that the consultants who design and program these data systems are not "off in the weeds" like some of us firearms owners / collectors.
They genuinely have no idea whats out there.
I have now spoken to 5 people on the FSA phone system.
They have all been decent to deal with.
I have warned them all that the big collectors who are generally older and who have the large collections will be the last to register and that the tonnage is yet to come.
They do not accept my warning that the serious 200 to 500 firearms guys do exist and that there are a handful of mega collectors with around 1000 items that technically need to be registered.
They are in for a rude shock. I know several greater than 1 million dollar collections in 1 city.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaroa1
Did they try and argue what you were saying?
This is the point I was making, the system should be flexible enough to cater for the weird and abstract as of right - regardless of the priorities of the people that are doing the software engineering on the thing. This is almost like the pressure cylinder registration system aka the LAB/SP LAB number system. There are so many cases of SP LAB numbers issued where there was already a design approval/LAB number for that cylinder that meant the cylinders should just have been whacked with that number (ignoring the fact that it just invalidated the coating warranty on that cylinder but that's by the by). There are many cases in the LAB register of identical cylinders registered under different LAB numbers due to one or two minor differences in recordings, so the entire thing goes pear shaped as a register due to data crumples.
I can see the registry going bad to worse and ending up being useless in short time just due to the issues mentioned. As I keep saying, I'm not against the idea of a registry provided it is proven secure, is accurate, is cost effective and actually contributes to public safety and what we are seeing so far - doesn't appear to meet any of those tests just due to the way it's been done without subject matter experts involved in the design and development phases and the quality of the supporting infrastructure backing it up.
The value of the collection is immaterial as the firearms value is not enteredQuote:
Originally Posted by Danger Mouse
When we disagreed she went to an arms officer for advice and that is what was entered
I intend correcting these minor inaccuracies
It's value based on numbers, in the cases I'm thinking if. Indirect inferenceQuote:
Originally Posted by akaroa1
Got my paper application in to renew my firearm licence last week, so no point prolonging the agony i thought and had a go at the Registry. Well despite repeated attempts i couldn't get past the realme thing so gave up on that and tried to ring them but after being put on hold for 20 min i gave up on that too.
Got a mate coming around for lunch today with his teenage son so ill ask him about this realme thing , he might be able to tell me where i'm going wrong LOL
Funny ! so teens Are good for something these-daysQuote:
Originally Posted by 30late
Yep, and most will be odd ball shit, minds bad enough, but some I’ve seen will really excite themQuote:
Originally Posted by akaroa1
But have a think, when will it be useful i solving crime? It certainly has benefits for confiscating off the law abiding and putting clamps on same, but solving crime, SFAQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
@Maca49 nope it won't do bugger all.
They use straw buyers as a big thing for it but the numbers suggest that is way lower than they would like to admit.
Crims don't give a shit about rules so it doesn't affect them.
It's only real use is for future bans and conspiracy suggests pandering to the UN disarmament protocols.
Update- mates son was too busy on his own device! but mates partner is a bit of a IT wizz and got this realme login thing sorted in a couple minutes . So now i've got this ultra complicated username and password that i would never have thought of on my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by 30late
Anyway after ole mate and his family left i logged back into myfirearms no trouble at all, and even though its been designed by 'Micky Mouse' i got all my firearm details entered without much trouble, until i clicked on submit and it told me i had an invalid ID reference !! WTF is that no idea, so had to ring them today. A very helpful bloke answered almost straight away this time and told me all i needed to do was delete the extra drop boxes that i didn't need, so did that and it excepted my submission PHEW
COLFO's latest OIA from police confirms that police do not keep records of diversions, so they have no evidence to say that firearms are coming from LFO's. Still that doesnt stop that weasel Carhill from saying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
TTP are having an upload function built for big collections to be uploaded by spread sheet, same as dealers will eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaroa1
Like most LFO’s I wasn’t keen to register, however bought a rifle at auction way too cheap, gave up on Real Me real quick, phone option was surprisingly good, the bloke on the other end was bloody good, he amazed with my 19 firearms, I remarked; wait the big collectors register with 400-500 firearms
I don’t know why people are having issues with specific calibres being entered into the system. The people I spoke to one the phone have insisted to me that they entered everything I said verbatim, including a wildcat calibre I named after myself. The lady entering the information said they change the details to anything that’s desired.
On the calibre front - is it calibre ie .22 6 mm etc - OR the cartridge - ie 22-250 6mm-284 etc.
I thought legislation was calibre, of which there arnt that many - or are they asking for the cartdige? - of which there is godzillions......
It doesn't have any impact on crime,none at all, It is a instrument of delayed confiscation . Once you register a gun ,you from that moment on simply borrow if from the government until they take it from you at some point in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
This has always been a major motivation in firearms registers.
From my interpretation of what people are saying they are using cartridge case designation, only it seems they haven't got a complete list of the godzillions of chamberings so are just putting it down as something, with whatever criteria the person dreams up to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doghead
For those that say they will go in and correct the information latter, I wonder how this will be done as if the chambering isn't listed you can't choose it and if it can be added why didn't the person entering the details do that instead of using something else.
My interpretation of entering the firearm details and putting 308 for the cartridge and it's actually a 307, that firearm doesn't exist, It's a bit like putting the wrong serial number in the system, or calling it a lever action when it's a bolt action. The defining information for a firearm needs to be correct or the registry is a waste of time and money and it's only use would be for firearm confiscation where the number of firearms confiscated is the goal.
I can only hope you’re wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
I'm sure that this register is unique in history, and won't be used to enable confiscation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnwolf
I called to register a Tikka T3 that has been rechambered in .22-204, the guy took down the details and entered it into the register. After checking the details online I know see it is registered as a "Tikka T3 .22mm":wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by -BW-
Also had him enter a Kriss DMK .22LR which wasn't listed online...It's now registered as a "Defiance DMK .22LR" even though Kriss is available as a manufacturer in the online system but DMK is not, as a model.
So what happens if the cops come and do a check and there's no tikka t3 .22mm that's registered to you ???
It's Finnish and 20 mm, maybe they think you have one of these
It's irrelevant when the rifles all have a serial number with them on the registration the finer points are sorted that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by blip
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I fear the guys inspecting your firearms may not see it that way at the time , and you will have to pay to prove they were wrong .....
Has the potential to go either way doesnt it...
If that is the case why bother entering any other details apart from the serial number, and what happens when you have two different rifles with the same serial number.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Watch the Hornady video, you will see they have all the different Ruger rifles and handguns and all the serial numbers are the same.
So what you are saying is don't bother giving them the caliber, all they need is make, model, action type, mag capacity and serial number?Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Yep, a while back I had a Lee Enfield rifle with the same serial number and year of manufacture as another bare action I had on hand. That action had been butchered, since destroyed but as the UK armouries reused their serial numbers as a 4-number and 1-letter code they went through them about 4 or 5 times over the course of each year in the peak of wartime production.Quote:
Originally Posted by 19Badger