Thread: Why frontline cops should be armed

Nothing good will come of this discussion about this subject on this forum. It will end up being a never ending circle-jerk of opinions, that will come to no logical conclusion.

It has the potential to become unsavoury, and verges on a political discussion.

There's a time and place and for it and it's not here, now.

No disrespect intended to the OP, but there are official channels to work through.

B

Originally Posted by shift14

Nothing good will come of this discussion about this subject on this forum. It will end up being a never ending circle-jerk of opinions, that will come to no logical conclusion.

It has the potential to become unsavoury, and verges on a political discussion.

There's a time and place and for it and it's not here, now.

No disrespect intended to the OP, but there are official channels to work through.

B

Nah disagree... its not a political issue. The argument isn't conclusive either way and its really hard to be emphatic about what should happen and the tone is good.... But for all that most has been said that can be said and we probably won't reach any valid conclusion because there actually isn't one. It's all trade-offs.

Of course its been 25 years since I left the police thinking it was about to happen.... so to expect to reach conclusion might be a touch unrealistic....

Everyone can and has said their point of view on this, but unfortunately it won't mean a pinch of shit when it comes to the decision been made.

They said the police would not routinely carry tasers but hey, what do you know they are.

And to say criminals will arm themselves cause the police are is silly. They are armed already to protect themselves and use against other gangs.

I doubt they want to get into a shootout with cops as it will affect their business dealings.

But we shall see what happens.

I personally don't like the idea of our Police force carrying firearms on their person at all times, I believe such an action will only lead to more people being shot per year (on both sides), I would be interested to know what the consensus is amongst the Police though.

My employer is currently in the process obtaining CC permits for 3 different countries.
The one proving most difficult is the one anyone would think would be the easiest.

I am against any form of public arming in NZ. But I would like to be able to hunt with a pistol legally.
I believe police should be and will eventually be armed.





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Why would anyone need to have the need for concealed carry in NZ. NZ is a safe place to live.

People here say the shootings would increase if the police were armed, what do you think would happen if the public could carry guns. Homicides would increase because if someone got into a disagreement with someone bigger than them, then guns would be drawn and someone would be shot.
And then more people would be in jail for murder/manslaughter.

And how many people who would conceal carry guns would be killed by their own guns, or even lose them. Then the shitfight begins when the criminals get them.

Not to mention, gangs would definitely carry and to increase their stocks, they would target CC people.

Originally Posted by jim160

And how many people who would conceal carry guns would be killed by their own guns, or even lose them.

Thats a risk for armed police officers as well mind you... one of my cop mates told a story about a colleague who attended a domestic at a known gang house, no backup available so strapped the pistol on for insurance. Predictably there is a bit of aggro, he is well outnumbered and gets smacked around and thrown back outside. Doesn't even realise his gun is gone until he's dragging his bruised ass back to his car afterwards and one of the older, wiser residents quietly hands it back to him. Could have been far worse!

He tells me that as a cop your greatest weapon (and greatest liability if you use it wrong) is your mouth, and his first option is always to try and defuse a situation by talking it down. Personally I'd like to see that attitude continue in the police force - obviously there are some situations that do require force, but increasing the level/frequency of police being armed seems likely to also increase the authoritarian 'do what I say or else' attitude some police officers demonstrate at times, and the 'them and us' response from the public.

Originally Posted by jim160

Why would anyone need to have the need for concealed carry in NZ. NZ is a safe place to live.

People here say the shootings would increase if the police were armed, what do you think would happen if the public could carry guns. Homicides would increase because if someone got into a disagreement with someone bigger than them, then guns would be drawn and someone would be shot.
And then more people would be in jail for murder/manslaughter.

And how many people who would conceal carry guns would be killed by their own guns, or even lose them. Then the shitfight begins when the criminals get them.

Not to mention, gangs would definitely carry and to increase their stocks, they would target CC people.

If it's a safe place to live then front line police don't need to be armed...

Originally Posted by kotuku

jexla -youve been on" ride alongs" -ever been the one on point ,the one who has to make that decision.
jesus wept the boys in blue have had to deploy tasers x3 on our site and the fucking post mortems ,/arse covering documentation would filla bloody rubbish skip.
me -i worked with the bloke who was present in 2/3 occasions when the situations went"current"and ohms law applied-ohm=resistance -the more resistance shown the bigger the dose!.
he certainly had no qualms about police actions given the weapons presented were a shard of glass like a dagger and screeds of airborne human blood -exactly who was responsible for what in hindsight was a clear as"dogpaddling through a lake of sloppy dogturds" in his words.
yep that desription is just as apt in the auckland courier driver tragedy.
just a pity the arsehole at the centre is set to spend his doubtful existence in taxpayers expense! sidney &savage seem to me to have the most cogent views on the prospect.

I'm sorry but I can't read any of that without getting a headache, get some punctuation and I might take you seriously.

Originally Posted by MassiveAttack

If it's a safe place to live then front line police don't need to be armed...

My thoughts exactly. Stupidity is starting to show...

Originally Posted by Jexla

I'm sorry but I can't read any of that without getting a headache, get some punctuation and I might take you seriously.



My thoughts exactly. Stupidity is starting to show...

And so is arrogance....punctuation ...really.

Originally Posted by Pengy

And so is arrogance....punctuation ...really.

Yes! Punctuation is a clear sign of intelligence or lack thereof!
Not to mention even with the correct punctuation it still spits up the vial nonsensical crap coming out of some mad mans head.

Originally Posted by Jexla

I'm sorry but I can't read any of that without getting a headache, get some punctuation and I might take you seriously.



My thoughts exactly. Stupidity is starting to show...

Dont take the piss lassie or I will let loose. Ignorance is not bloody excuse on this forum -consider yourself warned young un!
Sorry my arse

Obviously you like to think ya got it sussed well just sit quite take a deep breath and think on this
40yrs ago an old bloke gave me this wee gem to think on and I think on it every day
"tis the old dog who walks the footpath "
"the pups they run the street"

Dont bother replying in haste -you may well find Ive already bared me teeth .Take ya time and have a wee think then apply the conclusions youve reached to the point of debate -you may very well be suprised at the conclusions you reach,i
f so just open a new folder in the computer between your ears and call it lifes new experiences!
finally seasons greetings to you asnd yours and may all your days be happy ones.

Originally Posted by kotuku

Dont take the piss lassie or I will let loose. Ignorance is not bloody excuse on this forum -consider yourself warned young un!
Sorry my arse

Obviously you like to think ya got it sussed well just sit quite take a deep breath and think on this
40yrs ago an old bloke gave me this wee gem to think on and I think on it every day
"tis the old dog who walks the footpath "
"the pups they run the street"

Dont bother replying in haste -you may well find Ive already bared me teeth .Take ya time and have a wee think then apply the conclusions youve reached to the point of debate -you may very well be suprised at the conclusions you reach,i
f so just open a new folder in the computer between your ears and call it lifes new experiences!
finally seasons greetings to you asnd yours and may all your days be happy ones.

You realise your posts are largely incomprehensible nonsense, right?

Originally Posted by kotuku

Dont take the piss lassie or I will let loose. Ignorance is not bloody excuse on this forum -consider yourself warned young un!
Sorry my arse

Obviously you like to think ya got it sussed well just sit quite take a deep breath and think on this
40yrs ago an old bloke gave me this wee gem to think on and I think on it every day
"tis the old dog who walks the footpath "
"the pups they run the street"

Dont bother replying in haste -you may well find Ive already bared me teeth .Take ya time and have a wee think then apply the conclusions youve reached to the point of debate -you may very well be suprised at the conclusions you reach,i
f so just open a new folder in the computer between your ears and call it lifes new experiences!
finally seasons greetings to you asnd yours and may all your days be happy ones.

You are clearly already loose in the mental department, I'll leave it at that.

P.S go see the doc and ask him if he thinks you're fit to still have a FAL.

Originally Posted by MassiveAttack

If it's a safe place to live then front line police don't need to be armed...

Because Police are the ones that are deployed into the small unsafe areas trying to keep NZ safe, stop being arrogant.