Thread: Long range kill damage

243, MV 3080 fps, 95 grn Targex. 230 yds. Slightly down hill and quartering away, hit in crease. Lung and heart damage. Only bullet fragments found (scattered about in lungs and heart.
Large rib entry hole, but only pin prick in skin. I think all of the blood was pumped through the rib hole and couldn't escape so ended up between the ribs and the skin.



Note: I'm happy to post these pics for the purpose of learning about how bullets work and how to cause quick and humane deaths. If it turns into a bullshit shock and awe thread I will pull my pics down.

Tahr was the meat on the front fore quarter ok? just congealed blood to cut away?
This is a good thread - normally you would look at that photo and go $%^@& was he using a 685 greg super cannon improved, with damage like that.
But your description changes how it looks - keep up the good work guys!


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And no i wasnt encouraging Kiwi Greg to make an even bigger cannon than the ones he used now

Did it drop on the spot?

Originally Posted by Toby

Did it drop on the spot?

If you are asking about my last pic, yes, it ran about 50 yards down hill. Bolted at the shot, but had a bit of a sideways run going on as it disappeared, so I knew it was hit hard. It was upside down in a creek.

Bolting at the shot is quite common with lung and heart shots.

What would a .223 be like damage wise to goats around 100m-200m just using cheap ammo 55gr or something around that? Would they go very far after a good hit in the shoulder? I want a goat gun to add to my collection but I like things with cheap ammo but I dont want to hit things and watch them run to far away.

Originally Posted by Toby

What would a .223 be like damage wise to goats around 100m-200m just using cheap ammo 55gr or something around that? Would they go very far after a good hit in the shoulder? I want a goat gun to add to my collection but I like things with cheap ammo but I dont want to hit things and watch them run to far away.

I'm not too experienced, but having taken a reasonable number of goats (and roos) with a .223 in the last 6 months or so, here's what I've found -
I'm now using the Hornady 55gr sp training ammo, and while it's fine for decent chest/shoulder shots out to around 170y or so, I've found that approaching the 200 yard mark and beyond, it simply isn't killing acceptably with those shots.

Admittedly they were big gnarly old goats, but I've found on several occasions ranging from approx 190-220 that a decently placed shoulder, chest, or even neck shot simply wasn't killing the goat. It knocked them down and would likely have killed them eventually, but a few too many times we've gone for the confirmation only to find the goat down but still alive, up to 15 or 20 minutes after. I've only really finalised this conclusion on the last trip, but with that in mind I think I'm going to be restricting myself to headshots only from 180y or so onwards, at least with this ammo.

Toby it is like this. You can be like a road ganger swinging a hammer or a surgeon weilding a scapel. How dead do you want to make something...I prefer to eat right up to the bullet hole instead of throwing half an animal away. I have to admit to viewing some of this evidence here with a degree of distaste.

Originally Posted by Scribe

Toby it is like this. You can be like a road ganger swinging a hammer or a surgeon weilding a scapel. How dead do you want to make something...I prefer to eat right up to the bullet hole instead of throwing half an animal away. I have to admit to viewing some of this evidence here with a degree of distaste.

On reflection, agreed. I pulled my links down from photo-bucket but this place must not be linked because they are still here. Maybe the mods could delete my pics except the top one?

Yeah ok some people like to eat everything on the animal, I do when it comes to venison/pork but the goats roam around here in huge numbers so I just want something cheap but good to kill em

Are you aware Toby that parts of these forums often turn up on various internet sights not connected to hunting.

Is it good that the lead comes out from the jacket?

Originally Posted by Toby

Is it good that the lead comes out from the jacket?

Not realy but non bonded bullets are dearer....

I will drag some pics from different cals and pills when I get a chance

Originally Posted by leathel

Not realy but non bonded bullets are dearer....

I will drag some pics from different cals and pills when I get a chance

"Bonded bullets are dearer" that should read

The further away you shoot the more explosive you want so they reliably open.... so you either get a massive hole close and kills well at distance or a nice close kill with not tooo much waisted meat and pencil with a slow kill out further.... Will get sonme pic's in 243 and 7mm togeather

Yes i am, nothing illegal going on so what is there to be worried about?

Thanks for info, how much does that ammo cost?